E99. Displacement of Migrants

Immigration, Migration, Government, Economy, Politics, Culture, Humanity, Justice, War, Asylum, Displacement, Wealth, Jobs, Benefits, Social Welfare, Social Cohesion, Ghetto, Neighbour, Population

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2 thoughts on “E99. Displacement of Migrants

  1. Great podcast as always! You know, it’s a good thing to hear from someone that relies on common sense to spread his idea, instead of partisan rhetoric.

    However, there are two points which I kind of disagree

    1. You think that “Good” and “Bad” should be the first criteria we should looking into to qualify whether a foreign be made a citizen of that country. Actually, isn’t that the point of “criminal record” and the like? Embassy (the ones in Vietnam, at least) ask for it in the applying visa and citizenship processes.

    Anyway, I, on the other hand, think that “Language” should be the first criteria. If you think about it, “Good” and “Bad” are qualities that take a very long, long time of intimate contact to quantify. Having an immigrant capable of using the same language used by their new nation, therefore also knowing of local law and custom, is a far more practical quality.

    2. The different about Judeo-Christian and Muslim having different customs and teachings that ultimately open or seclude their followers to the world. I actually don’t believe it’s like that – socio-economic matters more. I once have the chance to meet a small community of Islamic Cham people in the South of Vietnam, and I can say that their dogma actually encourage people to experience new things while preserving the past.

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    • Hi Fireminer,

      Excellent points you have made here, let me try to expand.

      Where it comes to measuring character we have cookie cutter system which fails to delineates what may be good for society. Our system is more of filter and less of a long term view selector.

      While a criminal record is good at preventing violent criminals who are predators on society, there are some circumstances where this blanket measure prevents types of people you need to increase wellbeing and to keep others safe. I’d say the hackers, creative artist and those who speaks out to power could be missed. These people could easily have a record for fraud, drug possession and treason but also these people could also turn out to be innovators, architects and ones who prevent dangerous mass hysteria.

      The case I put forward for the good, is one who can act and express themselves in moments of selflessness. Now the question is how would we qualify that? As you mentioned to have a clear understanding would take a very long, long time of intimate contact. The next questions are, is it important enough to be worth it? Maybe a more pertinent question is; is there a better way to hack an immigrants record to reveal good character?

      When reflecting on this I’ve only really found that friends I have with “high friend standards” have been excellent indicators of this. Society really doesn’t have much in a way to measure good character on a voluntary level. When thinking of a metric outside of government control I was thinking of buyer/seller reviews. However this area could be expanded upon…

      On the socio-economic matters more, to a broad degree you are right. However, I think these issues are better examined when categorised into catalyst and reaction. If society is more egalitarian and the majority of Muslim migrants join the ranks of the middle class, I agree there would be hardly any violent reaction to say bombing the middle east. Essentially they have too much to lose from acting out. However, couple poor communities living in ghettos who share commonality with ideology you are going to get strong social organization (a power outlet). As the socio-economic situation worsens and the ideology doesn’t strongly align with protocols of the golden rule you have all the ingredients of a catalyst to create violent reaction. You can argue that most religious texts can be cherry picked to set off an aggressive ideology but I think there is a case for Judeo-Christian moving in a peaceful direction where as Islam appears to be moving to an extreme. Again, as socio-economic adds to the pressure then this polarises sides creating tribalism. In this situation of a tribe of moderates and extremes the dominant force prevails. You can only see escalation from this point. During hard times social divisions sink deeper so it’s wise not to be too different before this inevitability happens.

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